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Clematis (genus)

Old Man's Beard at Caparra, NSW

Clematis (genus) at Caparra, NSW - 26 Jun 2025 02:07 PM
Clematis (genus) at Caparra, NSW - 26 Jun 2025 02:07 PM
Clematis (genus) at Caparra, NSW - 26 Jun 2025 02:07 PM
Clematis (genus) at Caparra, NSW - 26 Jun 2025 02:07 PM
Clematis (genus) at Caparra, NSW - 26 Jun 2025 02:07 PM
Clematis (genus) at Caparra, NSW - 26 Jun 2025 02:07 PM
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Clematis (genus) 27 Jun 2025 JasonPStewartNMsnc2016
Clematis (genus) 27 Jun 2025 JasonPStewartNMsnc2016
Clematis glycinoides 27 Jun 2025 maznee

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JasonPStewartNMsnc2016 wrote:
   27 Jun 2025
@Maznee . Good morning !

Difficult to confirm this identification without some flowersing or fruiting parts.
maznee wrote:
   27 Jun 2025
Thanks Jason. I was going off an old key (1980) by John Williams and Gwen Harden which distinguishes them by the number of teeth on the leaflets. It’s a lovely old key but I’m sure not in use these days.
JasonPStewartNMsnc2016 wrote:
   27 Jun 2025
Yeah i have those old keys by awesome John Williams and awesome Gwen Harden.
As you know subsequently awesome Gwen Harden and many collaborators made the Flora of NSW four volumes, which in turn have become out of date, and the Flora of NSW online PlantNet website needs a bit of up date too and more funding, these days.

Hence, i checked again the Flora of NSW online PlantNet and again the species descriptions of the three candidate spp.;
sometimes vines of _Clematis glycinoides_ and _Clematis pickeringii_ can have a few teeth on the margins of their leaves too,
which more usually vines of _Clematis aristata_ have, and which too can have leaves without any teeth (ie. a spectrum from, leaves' margins with many teeth all the way through to the opposite extreme of without any teeth).

Hence, we require flowering and/or fruiting parts to go from this suggested species identification –fine as a suggestion–, to confirming a species identification .
maznee wrote:
   27 Jun 2025
Thanks Jason. All my keys are getting old like me. I should update I guess.
JasonPStewartNMsnc2016 wrote:
   27 Jun 2025
Yeah we all have to keep learning up to date as much as possible. I'm 55 yo .
maznee wrote:
   27 Jun 2025
You're just a youngster Jason. You've got years of learning ahead of you!
JasonPStewartNMsnc2016 wrote:
   27 Jun 2025
LOLOL .

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